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Old 01-29-2003, 03:51 AM   #1
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Of Turin Turambar

Chapter 21 is my favorite of the entire book.
I enjoyed The chapter on Turin more in Unfinished Tales!
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Old 01-29-2003, 02:43 PM   #2
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Is it possible? Is there really someone out there who likes Turin Turambar except me?
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Old 01-29-2003, 04:30 PM   #3
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Yes, I liked him. But then I'm known for taking side with the bad good-guys
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Old 01-29-2003, 04:49 PM   #4
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I didn't like him at all. He was a bad evilish man., though he thought he's helping the good side. That's his problem.
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Well, he wasn't an Elvish Man Radagast. He was just a Man, but there were times I liked Turin. I think I had more pity for him then like or dislike though.
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Old 01-30-2003, 02:03 AM   #6
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Well, he wasn't an Elvish Man Radagast. He was just a Man, but there were times I liked Turin. I think I had more pity for him then like or dislike though.
I agree....Turin had such an unfortunate life because of the evils of Morgoth
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Old 01-30-2003, 02:45 AM   #7
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Turin is my favourite male human character; see my profile. I just don't think Nienor and Turin shared a pure love.
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I just don't think Nienor and Turin shared a pure love.
That's an understatement! Turin's story is sad. I like sad stories.
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I love the fact that Túrin did all this things to help people and he didn't mean to do any bad. That was just Morgoth's spell. He would have been a good man without the spell.
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Hard to say. He was pretty willful. And I wouldn't say that he was working for the good of the people -- I always believed it was because he was driven to, due to the doom on the house of Hurin. *shrug* Guess I can't romanticise the story like you can.
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Why was Morgoth out to get Hurin and his descendants? What harm had Hurin done to Morgoth that he and his family should be made to suffer so? I must have missed something in UT or the Sil...
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Why was Morgoth out to get Hurin and his descendants? What harm had Hurin done to Morgoth that he and his family should be made to suffer so? I must have missed something in UT or the Sil...
Hurin was captured in the Nirneath by fighting off the enemies to effect the escape of Turgon. Then he was taken to Morgoth. Morgoth wanted Hurin to reveal the location of Gondolin, but Hurin refused, and this is when Morgoth placed the curse upon him and his kin.
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Old 01-30-2003, 03:27 PM   #13
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Hurin was captured in the Nirneath by fighting off the enemies to effect the escape of Turgon. Then he was taken to Morgoth. Morgoth wanted Hurin to reveal the location of Gondolin, but Hurin refused, and this is when Morgoth placed the curse upon him and his kin.
ohhh now I get it! *thinks "My God", I need to read these books alot more!"* Thanks SGH
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Okay, I've got something to say, but I don't remember the names. Excuse me, I'll try it anyway.
Everybody says that Túrin should be with Findulias (I hope this is her name), but I thought she was together with another elf, which came back to Nargothrond with Túrin? So actually Findulias should be together with this elf.
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Okay, I've got something to say, but I don't remember the names. Excuse me, I'll try it anyway.
Everybody says that Túrin should be with Findulias (I hope this is her name), but I thought she was together with another elf, which came back to Nargothrond with Túrin? So actually Findulias should be together with this elf.
Finduilas had at one time been in love with Gwindor who became captured in the Nirnaeth, but later escaped. Beleg came upon Gwindor sleeping beneath a tree and gave him lembas. They journeyed together to find Turin who had been captured and tormented by Orcs. When they found him, and Beleg attempted to cut his fetters, Turin not realizing it was Beleg and thinking Orcs had come to torment him again, grabbed Beleg's sword and killed him. When he saw what he had done, he was devistated. Gwindor Lead Turin back to Nargothrond where many no longer recognized Gwindor except for Finduilas, but when she saw Turin, she fell in love with him. Turin never returned her love, and then Gwindor was killed in the sack of Nargothrond. Before he died, he told Turin that it was up to him to rescue finduilas, or his doom would find him if he failed, which he did.
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Old 02-02-2003, 08:00 PM   #16
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i also enjoyed the chapters that detailed his life in the silamarillion, ut, and the lays of beleriand as well. he was cursed; when he did good, bad always seemed to follow. In my opinion, he was the most tangible and "human" character in all of Tolkien's writing.
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Old 02-03-2003, 02:54 PM   #17
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After your good summary, Sister Golden Hair, I still have to say that Túrin not belonged to Findulias.
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After your good summary, Sister Golden Hair, I still have to say that Túrin not belonged to Findulias.
Right. Turin did not love Finduilas. She loved him. It was a bit one sided. Finduilas also knew that Turin would never return her love. She told Gwindor as much. I think what people here are saying is that when Gwindor was dying and told Turin to go save Finduilas, that if he had succeeded in her rescue and then returned her love, his fate would have been otherwise and the events with Nienor would never have happened, but because of the curse of Morgoth, it just wasn't meant to be.
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But then, maybe the dragon wouldn't be killed.
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But then, maybe the dragon wouldn't be killed.
Well, I know he was under a curse and everything, but I hate to say that had it not been for Turin, the location of Nargothrond would not have been revealed to the enemy and the dragon would not have been there.
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